User talk:Dfoplayer

Re: Images

Some of the old image assets are actually recycled in the game now which is why I didn't delete them. For example, Isadora.png puts up her Boss Sprite which is still used in the game which is why I uploaded her NPC portrait as Isadora2.png. I'll keep that in mind for non-recycled assets though and I'll try naming my file uploads something else so it doesn't throw other people off. Save 4 Less ((talk)) 1:22, 1/28/2015 (EST)

Yea, I just realized that you have mirror Arad NPCs. Still, what about updating the maps? Are the old ones also used in some parts of the game?--Dfoplayer (talk) 10:28, 28 January 2015 (PST)

Extensions

Let me know if there are any extensions in particular that need upgrading. I don't really have time right now to do a manual comparison. Saiyr (talk) 19:37, 28 May 2014 (PDT)

Right now, DFO needs ParserFunctions to be updated. It will allow us to display Korean times and when a user hovers over it, a dropdown box will display Pacific, Australia, etc times. Thanks!--Dfoplayer (talk) 22:27, 28 May 2014 (PDT)

It's been updated. Saiyr (talk) 23:54, 29 May 2014 (PDT)

It looks better now. But to use the parser correctly, DFO wiki needs CSS (Version 3.1, 2012-01-15) extension. Thank you.--Dfoplayer (talk) 10:48, 30 May 2014 (PDT)

Added. Saiyr (talk) 11:13, 8 June 2014 (PDT)

Changed css and js. Works now. I just gotta figure out how to set to korean times. Thanks!--Dfoplayer (talk) 13:51, 8 June 2014 (PDT)

Someone unable to revert a bad change

Not sure what he was talking about exactly, but one of the rules is blocking a revert. Can you check out the logs and fix what needs fixing? Saiyr (talk) 23:41, 23 January 2013 (PST)

That was me. It took us a long while but we figured out how to get around the problem. Bernelli (talk) 00:13, 24 January 2013 (PST)

??? Unfortunately, the abuse filter won't allow me to view the logs; it just says it how many it blocked in the past 1,000 edits. However, I did changed the IRC link to what ‎Kadalyn wanted...atleast I think I did.--Dfoplayer (talk) 12:29, 24 January 2013 (PST)

I will look into why we can't see the logs later. Saiyr (talk) 12:30, 24 January 2013 (PST)

Skill Tables???

Can you make these??????!! I have no clue whatsoever how to do these danged skill tables... There are so many of the class pages that need to be updated or even finished, but not being able to figure out those tables has really stopped me... There anything you can do or is there anyway I can learn how to do these tables? - BlakDoxa 11:51, 9 December 2011 (PST)

Actually, I don't really know how to make tables. Most of the time, I check out other skills tables and copy the formatting. It hard to explain, so you have to experiment around. Try Nue talk page or some other skill page. From there, click edit and copy the code. If you "preview" and something doesn't look right, you might be using colspan or rowspan. Explained here.--Dfoplayer 12:05, 9 December 2011 (PST)

Alright, I'll try to figure out something. Thanks for the tips! - BlakDoxa 14:52, 9 December 2011 (PST)

I heard you have Admin status here now

I was told on the IRC that you were granted admin status, would you mind changing the icon? http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/9686/dfowiki2.png This is the replacement. That Under construction one has been there forever and a former admit (If you look on the main page discussion) said we could change it if we could get any replacement at all. Well here it is. Please and thank you. Copain 13:44, 8 January 2012 (PST)

lol. I would do it but admins can't change that. I think only the site owner can change it, however, I will crawl the web to peak around.--Dfoplayer 15:51, 8 January 2012 (PST)

Surely You can ask on the IRC or something this BS needs to be over with. I've asked around non stop and haven't got this. Copain 16:27, 8 January 2012 (PST)

Hmmmm. The site owner probably prevents admins from accessing the localsettings. There are work arounds, but I'd not go that path. I'll ask in the IRC soon. --Dfoplayer 16:37, 8 January 2012 (PST)

Talked to Angevon. Said she would talk to the site owner. Hopefully, the logo will change sometime soon.--Dfoplayer 17:07, 8 January 2012 (PST)

If I had known the Sysop position wasn't that big and easy to pass out, I should have just agreed to take it myself... Oh well.. Copain 17:30, 8 January 2012 (PST)

Well, you can still ask to be a sysop. I just asked since Ultratech wasn't too active and there were spammers in dfo. I regularly check dfo wiki and offical site for updates.--Dfoplayer 18:15, 8 January 2012 (PST)

We have more to do before quest.

We need to finish up the Male fighter tables and then work on the Female gunner ones. I've been making new ones here or there, and some others have been too, but the Female Gunner pages are pretty shameful. And last I recall, the Thief ones need tables too.. Copain 23:06, 9 January 2012 (PST)

Hmmm true. however I can't get used to working on other classes ever since my summoner. Everything seems pretty darn hard to lv...--Dfoplayer 23:09, 9 January 2012 (PST)

http://dnf.wikiwiki.jp/ Just go here with google chrome, it'll translate it enough to understand. Find skills in question and make a table for them. I'd have done a lot more by now, tables just suck to make... Copain 23:20, 9 January 2012 (PST)

Lol. Alright, that i can do. Sometime its easier to copy and paste into excel or other spreadsheet. then http://excel2wiki.net/ to format into mediawiki. however, u still need to do a bit of editting to get it right, like colspan.--Dfoplayer 07:18, 10 January 2012 (PST)

"Author request"

Yeah my but, you deleted that page because it was stupid, not at the author's request :P Copain 22:45, 10 January 2012 (PST)

Mhmm. My mouse was set to reason and when i tried to scroll down, it set to author. I tried to cancel delete but too late. Then again, who knows who replied to my post, as it was unsigned :S --Dfoplayer 22:57, 10 January 2012 (PST)

I did, I just forgot to add the Tildes haha.. Anyway, sorry for not updating much lately, busy with school and such, but that's how I've always been with this wiki.. Work on it a lot, break, work on it a lot.. Copain 15:35, 11 January 2012 (PST)

Avengers

Bro, look at the page carefully. It says "The first look at August's act IV updates.". The patch coming out on August 1st is act III. Please read over it carefully, if you don't believe me.

Oh I see. After reading Dfosource, I confirmed your edits. I thought they were gonna release Avenger at the same time. Sorry if I made you mad or anything. :s --Dfoplayer 22:53, 27 July 2012 (PDT)

maybe just a little ;) im pretty new around here, and I don't really know all the advanced wiki editing and stuff, but you can be assured that my posts/fixes are of 100% accuracy. :P also, did you undo the edits i made on spitfire? because they have 3 new skills that i was trying to add. -- Minimildew 8:52, 28 July 2012 (PDT)

I don't think I undid them. The history shows you just added how to adv to the subclass, not the 3 new skills. You have to create a link on Spitfire page to the skills. Just read the coding and I'm sure you can figure it out. ;) --Dfoplayer 17:37, 28 July 2012 (PDT)

bot problem

I'm going to email IJ about the bot problem. Hopefully he can do something. ---Angevon 19:10, 26 March 2012 (PDT)

lol. I was going to ask one mabi's IRC how to prevent people from making pages with less than 30 edits. I read some recent changes and Khenta was able to do that, just on mabi's side. Maybe this will help. Thanks Angevon.--Dfoplayer 19:33, 26 March 2012 (PDT)

Links to pages

Hi there! I am relatively new here. I was looking for a specific page to items and after typing it in the Search bar, nothing comes up except for vaguely-related pages. Regarding Roger Levine's page, I figured it would be easier to find items by adding links to them (only to find that there are no pages for those items...) Is the no-item-linking rule this normal for this wiki? It is quite hard to find pages for specific items in here. Sumner 10:45, 9 July 2012 (PDT)

It's not that we have "no-item-linking rule," but its just that this wiki does not have specific item pages. If you like, we can link the materials on Roger's page to the general section, here. For example, Leather section can be linked like this [[Craft_Items|'''Leather''']]. The part before the "|" is the page title, but sometimes it doesn't fit in the page. That's where the part after the "|" comes in. As you can see on Craft items page, we don't have information on cloth materials.--Dfoplayer 11:10, 9 July 2012 (PDT)

Quest Skills Table

I say we don't need the "Quest Skills" table on any of the class pages anymore. The Quest Skills page itself has nearly all the information except "upgrade levels". It will reduce the clutter and give the pages some breathing space, imo. BlakDoxa 22:53, 2 August 2012 (PDT)

Hmmm. I see what you mean. However, I'm not sure if new people would search "quest points." It's better if we leave it like that(for a link to the page). However, you are right that the page has everything we need. I can delete the individual pages, like Str and Vit training, and remove the links...--Dfoplayer 10:20, 3 August 2012 (PDT)

Thanks man! I don't think there's much else to add to the QP page, unless someone puts down "level each point is available" and/or the level cap for each quest skill. That might be kind of annoying, so it's probably best to leave it as it is. BlakDoxa 13:18, 3 August 2012 (PDT)

Armor Masteries

Don't think we need separate pages for each mastery of every class and sub-class. It would be better to list and document the effects of each on the actual armor pages. BlakDoxa 16:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Yea, I see what you mean. Do you want to remove the link completely, or just make the standard link with "armor mastery|avenger armor mastery"?--Dfoplayer 17:06, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I think the easy solution would be to just get rid of the link. I can go on some of the armor pages and add the masteries for the classes I have now, but I won't be able to get all of them. I'll fix some of the sub-slayers and sub-priest pages. BlakDoxa 18:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I check the rest of the pages then.--Dfoplayer 20:36, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Note to self and others, I just fixed classes Slayer through Male Gunner.--Dfoplayer 21:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man! :)BlakDoxa 00:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Being unable to link...because I'm still considered a new user

Pretty much that. anyways the direct link to what's to come of Alpha is this: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502237356570381&set=a.491544004306383.1073741828.477239829070134&type=1&theater Mikaya (talk) 10:51, 30 May 2014 (PDT)

Since there has yet to be bots, I disabled the filter for now. The filter checks the user age and edit count. Odd.--Dfoplayer (talk) 12:04, 30 May 2014 (PDT)

RE: Cancel Deletions

Replying here to make sure you get the message. Neople has already confirmed it will be as close to KDNF as possible. There is no chance that the "Cancel:" skill pages will ever be used again. I am going to remove the links to these pages right away. We will need to eventually delete the cancel images too, but that might be more trouble than it's worth right now unless there's some sysop magic I'm not aware of. LuminantAegis (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2015 (PST)

We would need another extension to mass delete. I'll ask someone who has server access. --Dfoplayer (talk) 21:49, 14 January 2015 (PST)

Appreciated. All links to Cancel skills should be gone now. LuminantAegis (talk) 22:52, 14 January 2015 (PST)

boop

Saiyr retired, I'm doing the sysadmining now. I'm not super comfortable handing out ssh access since more than dfo-world is on this box but just let me know what you need and I'll see if we can make it happen. Kadalyn (talk) 21:19, 29 January 2015 (PST)

I see. For now, can you run as many Maintenance reports as you can? The important ones are uncategorized, unused, and wanted reports. I'll probably message you in a few months after dfo-global beta is live. --Dfoplayer (talk) 21:25, 29 January 2015 (PST)

Okay ran the script for you. Seems like saiyr turned off caching for MWW but I'm not sure how, but I'll try to figure it out for you. Kadalyn (talk) 16:25, 30 January 2015 (PST)

EDIT: Oh I found it. It will generate them when you go to the page now. Kadalyn (talk) 16:28, 30 January 2015 (PST)

I see them now. Thanks. We'd appreciate it if you added ReplaceText extension. --Dfoplayer (talk) 17:01, 30 January 2015 (PST)

Do you want LiquidThreads while I'm at it? The normal talk pages are weird to me. lol Kadalyn (talk) 22:11, 30 January 2015 (PST)

It's not a preference to me, not sure about the others. Feel free to add if you like.--Dfoplayer (talk) 22:17, 30 January 2015 (PST)

I don't care, it's more about what the site's userbase is used to I guess. Kadalyn (talk) 22:58, 30 January 2015 (PST)

Also most of the admins here seem to have left, do you know the status of them all? I know you and Tessa are active, and Ange is active on MWW at least despite what it looks like here. Seems like Tea might be around sorta, but the rest seem to be gone. Input? Kadalyn (talk) 22:58, 30 January 2015 (PST)

I am going to have to say I'm probably the only admin active here. I have not seen Tessa lately. I think I was admin since the bot vandalism era, if you check the [block logs]. I had to ask Ixy to give me Check User so i could block range of Ips since it got so bad.--Dfoplayer (talk) 23:08, 30 January 2015 (PST)

I added an Administrators page. You might want to proofread it and see if you would like to change a couple things.--Dfoplayer (talk) 06:36, 31 January 2015 (PST)

I wouldn't call myself an admin here just a sysadmin. I really only have admin here so I could bypass the newbie URL restriction. re: wiki lead, that's actually Tessa. She said she'd be more active when the game's actually out but feel free to pester her as needed in the meantime. She is around in general. Since we're talking about staff though, I think I'll go ahead and make a staff section for DFO on the forums, do you have an account already? Kadalyn (talk) 12:19, 31 January 2015 (PST)

Did the edits myself. Forgot to mention that you'd be selling yourself short calling yourself a moderator. ;3 Also I installed text replace last night, forgot to mention that too. Kadalyn (talk) 12:45, 31 January 2015 (PST)

No, I do not have an account. I would be glad to be a moderator over there though. I saw the text replace this morning. Thanks a bunch!--Dfoplayer (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2015 (PST)

EDIT: Created an account on Mabinogi World. Was that the right place since you have a DFO section?--Dfoplayer (talk) 16:05, 31 January 2015 (PST)

Yup, that's the place. You're all set up. :] Kadalyn (talk) 17:27, 31 January 2015 (PST)

Haha. You got me. --Dfoplayer (talk) 17:53, 31 January 2015 (PST)

Installed delete batch and gadgets extensions for you. Sorry for the delay, had a busy weekend. Kadalyn (talk) 16:40, 22 February 2015 (PST)

Glad you added them. This should help with mass edits across the wiki. --Dfoplayer (talk) 17:23, 22 February 2015 (PST)

Disputing your Category:EX Skills delete request

A move to Category:TP Skills is enough. The actual functionality has not changed, it is simply "official" wording. LuminantAegis (talk) 12:41, 31 January 2015 (PST)

The thing is, a category pages needs to be created. Even if i replace all EX with TP, the EX category will be there and will report unused. That's why I had a delete request.--Dfoplayer (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2015 (PST)

Request for Adminship

I am requesting to become an administrator for the wiki. You can review my request and experience here. I understand that this needs to go to a bureaucrat, however I see you online the most so it makes sense to send this your way. LuminantAegis (talk) 21:43, 3 February 2015 (PST)

Emailed the site owner. --Dfoplayer (talk) 21:49, 3 February 2015 (PST)

Considering the low traffic I'm not really sure another admin is necessary. You guys can hire whatever mods you want though for sure, as long as you need them, just let me know and I can set up a mod group. I would just copy MWW's though so you'd have to tell me if you wanted any specific permissions for DFO stuff. (PS: I didn't get an email who did you email??) Kadalyn (talk) 22:10, 5 February 2015 (PST)

I'm pretty sure I emailed you. I have an account over at MWW, and I clicked your name. Unfortunately, I did not CC myself so I can't really prove that I did email you. --Dfoplayer (talk) 22:28, 5 February 2015 (PST)

Weird, ok, no worries. I'm trying to check here regularly now too. Tested it tho seems like email's working at least. I added my email here too, so you can do it from my userpage here if you want next time. Kadalyn (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2015 (PST)

I'm not entirely sure if this is in your watchlist but I'll continue it here for context. Aside Replace Text usage, I cannot think of anything special that would be required. I only ask for it due to Neople basically retranslating the game, it will be extremely tedious for me to re-edit: Skill Names (skill changes in items, references in other articles), Item Names ( as part of drop tables, monster drop articles ), 30-40 New Dungeons and all their Monster Names (and possibly old ones) and every reference to them would need to be localized, official retranslations for mechanics: "Physical Attack Power" could be "Physical Attack Strength", "Base Attack Power" could be "Independant Attack Strength" or "Base Attack Strength" or something entirely different, "Vitality" will likely be changed to "Stamina" as per korean DNF, etc., I could easily just keep the talk up with Dfoplayer and have him do my replacements but I don't want to depend on him just to get things done easier! Finally, you do not really state the role of a [Moderator in MWW] so it is a little confusing as to what it entails aside and what tools I would have to help out. I do have contact with and have talked with most of everyone in the current Active Users list ( pretty sure I've even referred them all! ) so in that respect I don't expect any problems that would require admin tools until beta hits and the flood of users come in. (On a side note, the job advancement is now level 15, that keeps throwing me off in the CAPTCHA!) 11:41, 6 February 2015 (PST)

The description is in the policy instead. They don't have text replace access either. Anyway, admins exist to handle that sort of stuff too, so please feel free to bog him down with all the requests. :3 I suggest a staging page of all the changes that you can just submit or work together on (you add them, he or Tessa text replaces and removes them). Also I'll fix the captcha thanks. Kadalyn (talk) 23:52, 6 February 2015 (PST)

Sounds like a plan. luminantAegis (talk) 01:32, 7 February 2015 (PST)

Quick Questions

First question: Is this wiki able to run imagemaps using css coding or an extension? Second question (well more of a suggestion) is that the frontpage should have the name of the city and the dungeons inside the city to make it easier for those who aren't fully acquainted with locations in the game to navigate around.

I would change it but I'm pretty sure the frontpage is locked. + Sapphirion + My Talk+

I don't know what imagemap through css or extension is. If you go to front page, read the source, and you will find out that we are using Template:Newmenu as the front page. Only front page itself is protected. The templates are not, unless vandalism occurs, then I'd have to protect them. --Dfoplayer (talk) 08:46, 15 February 2015 (PST).

Okay cool then. I'm just gonna assume that imagemap isn't available on the wiki (its just essentially being able to put a/multiple link(s) on an image and have the image redirect you depending on where it is clicked.) I'll go see if it's present on MWW. Thanks for the help.

(And keep going. You can do this!) +Sapphirion + My Talk +

OHHH. Okay. The closest thing i can think of is [Taillteann and Tara] maps. Of course, they have icons hovering over them, but closest to what you want.--Dfoplayer (talk) 12:29, 15 February 2015 (PST)

THIS REALLY HELPED OMG THANK YOU! BUt alas, I have another question. Would it be possible to change the name of a page when the full game comes around. I was planning on creating town pages and moving the dungeons on those pages to the actual dungeon area names (EX: Dungeons at Silver Crown to Metastatic Abunova and have Silver Crown be the actual town. Say Neople changes the names from Metastatic Abunova to something else, can I change the page name?) EDIT: Should I just create a redirect when the actual game name comes out (EX: Metastatic Abunova redirects to the new name page.)

On the top of the page, a down arrow of the right hand side. There is a move button. By default, it automatically creates a redirect page, should you move a page. --Dfoplayer (talk) 16:05, 16 February 2015 (PST)

Cool. Will be making major edits to dungeon and town format. + Sapphirion + My Talk +

Help/Advice requested on getting a "contents" thing on Priest's page

As seen here Priest, there's no such thing while the other class page has it and it doesn't seem to be an easily added thing. Would you have an idea how to fix it?

Add "__TOC__" to page. Stands for Table of Contents. It reads the whole page, but places table wherever you add it. I fixed Priest. --Dfoplayer (talk) 20:41, 22 February 2015 (PST)

Thanks, I'll remember that in the future--Fishman46 (talk) 21:08, 22 February 2015 (PST)

Cat-a-lot Changes

I just noticed the changes that allowed this on the New Files Special page. Is there a way to do this with the Uncategorized Files page as well? There's where a lot of the images I've been sorting have been from. HotCat has sped things up, but I think Cat-a-lot would make things even faster.
I know how much you've been struggling with this one though, so no pressure. --Space Fish 17:04, 24 February 2015 (PST)

Yea, I added to New files. However, I still can not click the whitespace of the gallery images. I'm working on that, unless you can click them, then my job is done. I will add to Special:uncategorizedXXX, but as for clicking the whitespace, I won't know. --Dfoplayer (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2015 (PST)

Oh, you're right. I just saw the tab and automatically assumed it was functioning. My bad. --Space Fish 17:12, 24 February 2015 (PST)

I did not add uncat Categories. Some, like game system, are the top level so we should not create a category for them. Files, pages, and templates have that tab now. They do not click the whitespace. I'll see what I can do.--Dfoplayer (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2015 (PST)

Is there a way to say add certain text like a template to multiple pages easily?

As otherwise I'd have to go to each related skill page and add it. If there's not, oh well.

Hey Dfoplayer,

Since you're a wiki admin, I wanted to make you aware that I've created a Discord server for editors. You are welcome to join at:

discord.gg/rfaz75c

Best regards,

Queerchemist (talk)

For example, when a F. Mage uses Disenchant, she apparently shouts "Largo!" (musical term for slow tempo) I had no idea that was what she was saying until I visited Namuwiki's DFO page for f mage skills, and I thought this little bit of info (trivia?) might be of interest to other players.

I do realize this is a laughably low thing to prioritize at the moment (with all the outdated and missing info), but I've always found these little details interesting, and I feel like wiki pages are where I've learned a lot trivia for other games I play.

We could put it under the description section as such:

Kurisu (talk)

I wouldn't mind it.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Ok, thanks. Also, for calculating Absolute Damage Ratio, can I look at my stats while in Town, or do I actually have to go inside a dungeon? I'm wondering because when I'm in the pvp channel (just in the channel, not in any room) the tooltip for Sky Assault lvl 1 shows 66% + 163 for Physical Atk. and my independent attack is 1234. So (163/1234) = 0.132

But when I go inside a room, tooltip shows 66% + 163 and Independent attack shows 963; 163/963 = 0.169

Why am I getting two different numbers here? Now I'm wondering if I screwed up with the Skill Growth table for the dungeon because I did it while I was in town.

Kurisu (talk)

And also, what does it mean when the MP and cooldown description is in red or blue in the game? Magic missile lvl 1 costs 8 mp on my Elementalist but it costs 7 on my Battle mage

Kurisu (talk)

I'm not too entirely sure about that. I haven't played DFO in a long time. Either User talk:Altair, User talk:Queerchemist, or User talk:Arrol would know more on skills.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer.

Sorry to bother you again, but there seems to be a strange display issue with the Shop List template. Here's an example for reference, Red Tail Jonathan. For some reason, the items that don't have existing pages appear as text code rather than the normal red empty links.

EDIT: This issue seems to be affecting other templates as well. Take a look at Beast Dungeon for reference.

Altair (talk)

Just replying to follow this thread, as I've come across this issue a lot as well.

edit: Also worth noting the issue occurs inconsistently depending on the item/page in question. For example if you look at the current version of User:Queerchemist/Equipment there are redlinks that don't have this issue, but if you look at this older revision the issue is present.

edit2: Actually the issue even occurs with links that shouldn't be broken at all. If you look at Undaunted Determination, the items in the shop under "Uses" are all existing pages and should work just fine.

Queerchemist (talk)

That was a long rabbit hole. At first I thought it was pretty simple. The icon and/or item page does not exist.

In Red Tail Jonathan, where is the page Pure Energy Crystal Pouch? Since the page and respective icon doesn't exists, the Template:Item produces the wiki code [[<missing Pure Energy Crystal Pouch icon.png> |20x20|link=Pure Energy Crystal Pouch]], and renders what you see on all the pages.

Example failure below

{{Item|Pure Energy Crystal Pouch}}

results in

 Pure Energy Crystal Pouch

Then, looking at Queerchemist's examples, I noticed it has to do something with the #show query not rendering 'Pure Energy Crystal Pouch' compared to 'Swiftly Mobile Plate Shoulder', as shown on User:Queerchemist/Equipment. Why? No idea, but 'default=' does not seem to work the way we want it to. Nice table btw.

I think the best solution is to make wiki code to detect if a page does not exists, which I'm not familiar with, YET. This will allow us to skip the template code and just render red links.

In the mean time, I'm not sure where to start looking for broken items, but Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Shop_list_row is a start.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Okay. Most of it is working. Not sure why Undaunted Determination is still broken, as well as Monolium. It looks like the NPC's shop list are working just fine. When you call the shop list from a page that has the item as a currency, it breaks. Yet, if you look at below, the Template:Item works for Undaunted Determination and Monolium. .  Epic Soul Box (1)  Prophet's Dusk Bead Chest

Dfoplayer (talk)

Oh. It looks like the semantic has been updated and the lists in the individual item pages are now working.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer, it came to my attention while working on the Item Database Project that a huge number of pieces of equipment are missing exorcism values - I've noticed it on almost every page I haven't personally created or edited. Is there any way I/we can run a query for pages that use the Equipment infobox template but have blank exorcism parameters? That would make it a lot easier and faster to add the values back in. Thanks in advance. --Queerchemist (talk) 14:35, 11 March 2019 (PDT)

Queerchemist (talk)

Yes, you can use semantic wiki and perform an array difference on the ones that have exorcism values.

The problem with using semantics is that the system is defaulted to get a list of maximum 500 results. If you were to update the following equipment list, chances are that the first array with 'allEquipment' will not go past the first 500 pages. Therefore, you will probably see this list getting shorter, and not updating with new pages.

<!-- [[:+]] is needed to select main, and not user,images, and other namespaces -->
{{#ask:[[:+]] [[Category:Equipment]] [[Has name::+]] |format=array |offset=0 |name=allEquipment}}
{{#ask:[[:+]] [[Category:Equipment]] [[Has name::+]] [[Has exorcism::+]] |format=array |offset=0 |name=exorcismEquipment}}
{{#arraydiff:missingExo|allEquipment|exorcismEquipment}}<!-- missingExo = allEquipment- exorcismEquipment -->
<ul style="columns:4">{{#arrayprint:missingExo||@@@@ |<li>[[@@@@]]</li> }}</ul>

To fix the 500 pages problem, you want to manually repeat the above four lines, and '500' every time |offset=0 in both ask queries to compare the new set of pages. Then you could find all the pages. AND PLEASE DO NOT SAVE THE PAGE Previewing the wiki code is sufficient enough to generate the list for you to copy and check.

This method should work with other missing semantic values, in theory.

Out of the first 500 pages in Equipment Category, there are 153 pages that are missing exorcism.

• A Cry For Help
• A bracelet imbued with the song of Tiger Flash.
• A.D.P. Suit Set
• AC X-1 Extruder
• AT-5T Class 1 License
• Abraded Insignia
• Absolute Barrier
• Absolute Darkness
• Absolute Fortress
• Abyssal Edge
• Abyssal Seeker Set
• Abyssal Shark Fin
• Abyssal Shark Suit
• Accelerated Spiral
• Acceleration Revolver
• Accelerator
• Accurate Power Shoulder
• Accursed Dress
• Active Protection System
• Adamantine Odachi
• Add-on Laser
• After Christmas 2018
• Agent Amina
• Agent of Mayhem
• Aggravated Punishment
• Aggressive Kite
• Alchemistic
• All Broken Up
• All Thumbs
• Amateur
• Amon: False Power
• Anarchy
• Ancient Celebrant's Robe
• Ancient Celebrant's Sacred Ritual Set
• Ancient Celebrant's Sandals
• Ancient Celebrant's Shoulder Strap
• Ancient Celebrant's Skirt
• Ancient Conjurations Set
• Ancient Darkmancer's Manuscript
• Ancient Golden Legacy
• Ancient Kingdom Knight Set
• Ancient Sacred Creature's Memory
• Ancient Union
• Ancient War Goddess Set
• Angelina Deadly Poison Sword
• Angelina Royalty Necklace
• Annihilator
• Annunciation: Worldly Truths Set
• Anton Overlord
• Anton Subjugation Honorary Medal Set
• Anton Subjugation Royal Gift Set
• Anton Subjugator Captain
• Anton's Heart
• Apathy and Compassion Bracelet
• Aracloso's Lethal Black Spine
• Arad Cosplay (Alisha)
• Arad Cosplay (Becky)
• Arad Pass Season 1 (Permanent)
• Arad Ultra Fast Set
• Arad's Wandering Party
• Arc Reactor(Weapon)
• Archmage Louise
• Arctic Sword: Absolute Zero
• Arena SWAG
• Argos Bone Decoration Wand
• Argos Leather Belt
• Arid Desert's Legacy Set
• Armor of Hearteating Devil Set
• Army of One
• Artillery Scout
• Ascending Ice Dragon
• Aslor's Corrupting Totem
• Aspect-Devoured Longbow
• Aspect-Devoured Short Sword
• Aspect: Trine Set
• Assassin Master's Jade Dagger
• Assassin's Attitude Set
• Astral
• Atomic File
• Avangard
• Awakened All-in-One
• Azure Flame: Realm of Nothingness Set
• Baal: The Corruption of the Soul
• Babylon Combat Lower Armor
• Babylon Combat Upper Armor
• Babylon Hand Cannon
• Back and Forth
• Backstabber
• Backstreet Kick
• Backstreet Tackle
• Bador's Steel Claw
• Balrog Bracelet
• Bard's Mandolin
• Barrier Caster (Title)
• Bastet's Grace
• Bastet's Love
• Bastet's Trial
• Battered Shuriken
• Battle Hawk
• Battlefield Tension Set
• Battlefield Vanguard
• Batu Support
• Bayonet Dance
• Beach SWAG
• Beast King Fireball
• Beast King Gauntlets
• Beast King Gloves
• Beast King Mace
• Beast King Symbol
• Beast Protector
• Beast Slayer
• Beat King Belt
• Beatrice's Cheer
• Beautiful Gunner
• Beauty of Eternal Seasonality Set
• Becky's Special Goggles
• Beginning of Your Adventure: Dagger
• Beginning of Your Adventure: Katana
• Beginning of Your Adventure: Rod
• Beginning of the War
• Beholder's Eye
• Belial: The Seed of Destruction
• Bentinck's Flamethrower
• Berserk Armonia
• Berserk Tenacity Longbow
• Berserk Warhorse Spirit
• Berserker's Rage
• Best Driver
• Bhairava's Heir Set
• Big Bomb
• Big Mama
• Big Shot
• Big Spender
• Biker Gang Radio
• Black Bolt
• Black Dolphin
• Black Flower Binding Bracelet
• Black Jack
• Black Magic Researcher Set
• Black Moss Nipper
• Black Moss Poison Sting Arbalest
• Black Moss Shell Armor - Cuirass
• Black Moss Shell Armor - Leggings
• Black Moss Shell Armor - Shoes
• Black Moss Shell Armor - Shoulder
• Black Panther
• Black Shadow
• Black Shirt of the Abyss
• Black Volcano
• Blackened Perpetuity Bracelet
• Blade Soul Set
• Blade Storm (Talisman)
• Blade Swamp

And if you somehow made it this far reading down the page, then again in theory, an 'automated solution' is to run a count of how many pages of equipment there are, which happens to be 8453. Taking this value, we could create a loop that will generate tabs of 8453/500. So there will be 16.906 tabs to display all possible pages that do not contain exorcism. But I'm not sure if I have time to write that wikicode because of life. I think running the 4 lines of code, 10 times is sufficient to find those pages.

Now if we want to add all missing values, then maybe yes. I'll find some time to create a page that generates missing parameters for all equipment.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Well, it seems that threads do not dynamically query semantics, so the list doesn't actually change.

Therefore the solution is to run the 4 lines manually and keep adding '500' to the offset parameter. Cheers!

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. If you don't mind, I have a few questions about a few things.

1) When creating the page Aspect: Trine Set I noticed that the second headers for the Priest(F) and Priest(M) skills did not appear in the 3 part set effect. Am I doing something incorrectly?

2) Recently, I've been attempting to post the Youtube videos, the Chronicles of Luke: Chapters 1-5, into the Lore Episode page's collapsible tabs, but to no avail. How would I go about posting a Youtube video in a collapsible tab? Would it just be easier to post the Youtube link?

Altair (talk)

1) I'm not familiar with the Template:Set information so I don't know how it gets the skill data.

2) Use the extension embedVideo. {{#ev:youtube|xx7tna_xoHY|225}}

However, you cannot put this in the <pre> section of the collapsible tabs. I tested this and would need to place outside the <small> as well.

{{HiddenTextStart| |Title=Episode 1: The Way of Peace - Linus's Monologue |Width=600 |Show=none }} <!-- Source:http://df.nexon.com/df/guide/TO/634 --> <small><small><pre> Lore info here </pre></small></small> {{#ev:youtube|xx7tna_xoHY|225}} {{HiddenTextEnd}}

The first parameter is the youtube ID and second parameter is the width in pixels.

Episode 1: The Way of Peace - Linus's Monologue

Lore info here

Dfoplayer (talk)

Ok. Thanks for the reply. :)

Altair (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. Would you happen to have access to the wiki's LocalSettings.php? There seems to be an issue arising with the 1000 character string limit error. It seems to occur most prominently with the Equipment Infobox description parameter. I believe the culprit may have something to do with the Parser Function $wgPFStringLenghtLimit variable. From what I've researched, it is usually defaulted to 1000 and may be causing certain pages to return an error if the string limit is exceeded. Would it be possible to increase the string limit?

Altair (talk)

No I don't have access to that file.

The Last time something like this occurred, we had a "Pages with too many expensive parser function calls. " coming from Template:SkillNav calling Template:IconLink too many times. How it was fixed was beyond me.

Can you give me an example of an equipment page? I looked a recent ones and didn't see 1000 character error.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Luberum Stone Fall was one of the pages a few of the editors were discussing about. They decided to separate the information outside the page template to avoid the issue. To replicate this error, just copy the information under the Description heading and paste it within the description parameter.

Altair (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. Would it be okay if we use mathematical estimated expressions like this for certain skill growths? The amount of time and effort spent updating these pages becomes heavily taxing after a while. Also, it's very difficult to manually update each value when every new rework patch changes all the values anyway.

Right now, the only problems with this I see are that the values aren't exactly precise, and it becomes incredibly clunky with certain skills with multiple values like Flash.

Altair (talk)

Yes. I would not mind it.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. Due to table visibility issues, Bah Wikier and I have been discussing on his talk page about changing the skill growth table format on the SkillPage to a SkillAttribute List of expressions.

Considering User:Everspace's suggestion about omitting non-changing information in tables and the fact that we are now using 'non-changing' mathematical expressions, it may be more beneficial to use a list format.

If it's okay with you, we will be issuing this as the new makeshift standard for the skill growth section.

Altair (talk)

If you are suggesting to put the new list

*{{SkillAttribute|Level|n}}
*{{SkillAttribute|Lv Req|80+2(n-1)}}

in |SkillGrowth= section, then I'm fine with it.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. I just had an idea.

Out of curiosity, do we have a loop extension installed and would it be possible to construct a skill table from a #while loop extension?

Here's an example I had in mind using the skill:  Quick Punto

{{#vardefine:maxlv | 50 }}
{|{{SkillTableHeader}}
!Level
!Lv Req
!MP
!Melee Atk.
!Lance Tip Atk.
|-
{{#vardefine:i| 1 }}{{#while:
| {{#ifexpr: {{#var:i}} <= {{#var:maxlv}} | true }}
| <nowiki />

|-
| <!--Level--> {{#var:i}}
| <!--Lv Req--> {{#expr: 1+2*({{#var:i}}-1)}}
| <!--MP--> {{#expr: 6+0.568*({{#var:i}}-1) round 0}}
| <!--Melee Atk.--> {{#expr: 781+79.273*({{#var:i}}-1) round 0}}% + {{AbsoluteDamage| {{#expr: 1.95+0.198*({{#var:i}}-1) }} | 1 }}
| <!--Lance Tip Atk.--> {{#expr: 1027+104.273*({{#var:i}}-1) round 0}}% + {{AbsoluteDamage| {{#expr: 2.57+0.261*({{#var:i}}-1) }} | 1 }}

{{#vardefine:i| {{#expr: {{#var:i}} + 1 }} }} <!--Incrementation-->
}}
|}

Ideally, this would create a table and output 50 rows for the skill. I'm not that good at MediaWiki coding, but would this type of implementation be possible?

Altair (talk)

I looked into this weeks ago when you asked me the first time, atleast trying to find some way for mediawiki to calculate mathematical formulas. We do not have loops installed. I asked the site owner sometime ago because of your timeline and she replied we need to see if Extension:arrays can be substituted. Shown below, the while loop does not work

{{#while:

| true
| 

• 0

}}

However, I did not know we had variables installed, so combining arrays and variables should definitely looked into. It could solve some more problems!

I'll try to do some work on the weekend...

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. It has come to my attention that individuals who are trying to create an account on this wiki are being blocked by some strange Internal Error dealing with some "AntiSpoof.php" extension.

I've tried this myself, and I seem to get the same error.

Altair (talk)

I have informed the site owner.

Dfoplayer (talk)

It is now working. Please inform the new volunteers that they can now help update the wiki!

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. I'm working on some navigation templates on my User Page. I was wondering if you could provide some feedback about them, particularly on usability and readability.

Altair (talk)

The readability is fine for my screen. The small text keeps it nice and tidy in my opinion.

Of course manually entering new NPCs will be troublesome down the road. So a more efficient way of doing it is to modify the Template:NPCs to add metadata on location. Then using semantic wiki, you can auto generate the navigational template tablwe, since we have the extension enabled.

It is different from DPL, as we have in Template:SkillNav. That one uses categories, and creating 15 categories in the form "<town> NPCs" is probably a hassle.

Do the same metadata with the dungeons template and auto generating the list should be a snap.

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However, in terms of usability, dungeons navigational would be more useful. How many users are going to go from one NPC to another NPC? I see myself looking at NPCs from quest line or maybe skill learning.

With dungeons, I see myself jumping to the next dungeon page after I level up a couple times.

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I don't mind the Lore navigational template. However, the fifth text note is overlapping on the hiddenTextHeader. Fix it by adding |height=5 to the Template:Note Row in section |Row1={{note row

Dfoplayer (talk)

I added semantics so we should be able to query locations now.

Example

Dfoplayer (talk)

Sorry for the late reply.

Okay, I'll get around to updating those pages on Monday. I need to finish leveling my Specialist to Lv90 first, since maintenance is tomorrow.

Altair (talk)

Sorry to bother you again. I'm not that good at Semantic Mediawiki coding. Is there a way/code to exclude certain dungeons from showing up in the list, like removed dungeons, with the inline queries?

Altair (talk)

Most definitely.

First, I want to know how is "Removed dungeons" labeled. If we can re-use, say a "removed" category, we should be able to #ask Semantics to filter. {{#ask: [[Category:!Removed Content]] }} If not, we need to create another property. Can you give me an example of removed content?

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On the subject on improving the nav list, add |sort=Has dungeon entrance level requirement to your #ask, as shown in my EtchASketch. The Grand Flores list now matches the one on page "Category:Grand_Flores_dungeons" instead of alphabetical order.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Thanks for the reply.

The best example would be Time Gate. If the Removed Content filter is applied then Black Crusade, Tangled Time Gate, and Time Break should not appear.

Altair (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. How do you add class names to the left side menu list of the Wiki site?

Altair (talk)

That's reserved for admins only. Which classes do you need?

Dfoplayer (talk)

Demonic Lancer and F. Priest

Altair (talk)

Done.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Thank you.

Altair (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. Could you add Agent to the left side navigation as well?

Altair (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. Does this wiki have some kind MediaWiki extension for timelines? I was wondering if we could use it for listing/organizing critical events in the in-game lore.

Altair (talk)

Something like this? TimelineTable

Dfoplayer (talk)

Thanks for your reply.

Something like that is very good, but it might need some changes.

It needs to span over a period of 1000+ years. I'm just worried that the timeline will try to list out the years individually instead of organizing them into a larger group such as "centuries".

Also, due the massive span of events, I'm concerned that it may affect the visibility/readability of the event text as well.

Altair (talk)

This one might work EasyTimeline, but I rejected it because of of the interesting wiki syntax needed.

For something that says "Easy", you need to define colors and all other sorts of information to get it right. example. Editing Ebrahim's page will show you how complex it is.

If you would like to learn, we can ask to get it

Dfoplayer (talk)

Yeesh, that is quite complex. Though, I wouldn't mind learning this.

I'm not too worried the color syntax or multi-dimensional layering. I only seem to require its one-dimensional vertical timeline features as shown in the first EasyTimeline example you posted.

If you can get this, I will be very grateful.

Altair (talk)

The site admin recommends we try to use normal mediawiki code, as this extension for one page might be overkill.

If you can find a template for timelines, that would be nice. I will also search for one.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Got it to work.

Here is my example

There may be some issues, as i went through way too many edits to get it too work. But for now, this time line should be good. The last number does not print, and i probably won't look into the mathematics into why for sometime.

Dfoplayer (talk) WORKING TIMELINE

Thank you so much for your hard work.

I will get to working on this as soon as possible.

Altair (talk)

Need help on putting one of skill name "Divine Punishment" one of Inquisitor's 2nd Awakening, but this redirected to Male Sader's Ascension page instead.

EDIT: I just put Divine Punishment (Inquisitor) for now until we can fix to remove redirect from Ascension.

Aero X 999 (talk)

Okay. We could modify the page 'Divine Punishment', put a Disambiguation on it and show two links to the classes?

Dfoplayer (talk)

Why not just move the page to the original name, and delete the latter page? The original name isn't being used anyways?

Arrol (talk)

Oh I see what you are saying. It is done.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Alright, thanks. So I just finished setting up all new FPriest skills in there.

Aero X 999 (talk)

Requesting for to archive older event notes from year of 2016 on home page. Thanks in advance.

Aero X 999 (talk)

Yea, we can do that.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Thanks again!

Aero X 999 (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. Would you happen to know if there is a Spoiler's template somewhere in the Wiki?

Altair (talk)

No, I don't think we have those yet. Feel free to import Mabi wiki. This is for sections and This is for the whole article.

Just replace the icon with ours.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Alright, thanks for the info and the links. I added the Template to the wiki.

Altair (talk)

Sorry for asking a noob-ish question but I'm having a hard to find and how to make a "table" for class skills, I am planning to type in these skills for both Demon Lancer subclasses.

Aero X 999 (talk)

A table as in under the category "skills" in the page Vanguard? In this case, just create pages with the template Template:SkillPage and it should auto generate those tables.

If you wanted to a table with columns, (level, required level, Mp/Hp usage, skill attributes), then follow Helm Shot's SkillGrowth section when you edit it.

Dfoplayer (talk)

I just made a page, Quick Punto Shot for Demonic Lancer, not sure if I did right or not; but just explain me bit more so I can understand more.

Aero X 999 (talk)

It's good, but we need to move the "category" from the title. Then we should add the "Category: Demonic Lancer Skills" page.

EDIT: It will take awhile for the wiki to detect the new skill, so you won't see it in the Demonic Lancer page, but it does show up in the nav of Helm Shot.

Dfoplayer (talk)

I made another one but wrong title, so I don't know where the place I can start the page in correct one.

Aero X 999 (talk)

Ok, I finished adding all Demonic Lancer skills and uploaded its icon. Also just did first 3 skills to Duelist and its icon for now, I'll finish the rest of Duelist skill and its icons and Vanguard skills later. But I'm sorry I had to leave you some work to put these skills I just added into correct place, I'm still bad at this one.

Aero X 999 (talk)

When you create a new page, it is unnecessary to include "Category:" in the title. Just put the skill title after "http://wiki.dfo-world.com/view/". An example would be "http://wiki.dfo-world.com/view/Swirling_Spear". Since this is "Category" page, I can not move it, so we just copy and paste the skill into a new page, and delete the previous one.

Dfoplayer (talk)

It's from dpl returning a blank due to certain queries not returning anything. This then automagically renders into a p tag.

I remember being annoyed at this earlier.

-- Everspace (talk)

I'm not sure what you're talking about?

Aero X 999 (talk)

Don't worry about it Aero.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. With the last patch on June 28th, some of the Otherverse dungeon rooms were reworked. Should we keep the old information or delete it?

Altair (talk)

We should probably delete it.

Dfoplayer (talk)

While I'm updating the pages, is it all right if I make the pages less subjective? The strategies I've read are a bit opinionated.

Altair (talk)

Yes, feel free to.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer, sorry to bother you. Does the wiki have some kind of type attribute for HTML gallery that enables a slideshow or slider? I thought it would be pretty interesting organize certain images on NPC pages such as sprites and portraits in them. Also, I was thinking on uploading some of the comic cutscenes, and I thought a slideshow/slider would make it easier to read.

Altair (talk)

Yes, there is an MediaWiki extension. While it is possible to allow CSS support, the image tag, <img>, is disabled. Also, CSS only allows a set number of images, so I will ask if admin to install the extension.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Use this as a guide to the options. A sample would be Female Mage

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey thanks. But, the slideshow seems to be hovering over the Class Navigation and Item Template. Would it be possible to fix that?

Sorry for not being specific earlier, but I was wondering if the user could navigate through the images at will rather than relying on a transition timer such as shown here or here.

Altair (talk)

I think I know what you are talking about. Are these similar to your vision? Bootstrap carousel. Mediawiki slider1 and mediawiki slider2. Most of wikia's extensions can not be imported into MediaWiki, unless someone wrote an equivalent tool.

Do note that these automatically transition to the next photo. Fortunately, we would need to remove the auto transition code located somewhere in the JS file.

Finals are coming up for me, but if anyone wants to experiment with JS and CSS, by all means...

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey thanks for responding. Yeah, those references work. Personally, I don't mind the Bootstrap Carousel example. It's quite easy to use and traverse though the images in and out of order.

As for the automatic transition, I have not quarrel with it as long as they are not too fast. I am aware that it can be manipulated in the Slideshow extension. My main concern with the JavascriptSlideshow extension was that it didn't enable users to freely move back and forth through the images. The extension only enabled forward, backward, or random transition.

Don't worry about this though. It's not a crucial issue. It's just something to sate my curiosity and my understanding of the wiki's capabilities. Sorry for troubling you.

Altair (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. In the All in One update, they added another function to the quest line, Storybooks. I was wondering if we should cover this on the wiki or even where to put them. Technically when activated they function similarly to side quests and grant reward gold and exp upon completion. Should I categorize them under Quests?

Altair (talk)

If it acts like a side quest, then yes. Categorizing them under Quests is probably the best thing.

Dfoplayer (talk)

What should be done with pages like Leather Armor, is it fine to nuke them from orbit? Every single item is unavailable in our version, and it's highly unlikely they'll ever return.

Gardios (talk)

If the items are gone from the game, then yes, we should remove the tables.

We could leave the page itself here, and then use Semantics to generate the lists so its easier to find. Otherwise, the player would have to type in the exact item name in the search box. If that's the case, can Semantics produce a level range, like armors between lv 10 and 19?

Dfoplayer (talk)

My current plan for the armor pages was to create armor weight+slot pages like List of cloth tops, have semantics create the armor tables on those pages and then link to them from the main armor page. I don't think having it all on a single page is a good idea, Scythe is already super long (and that's without chronicle gear!), and that times 5 is... kinda insane.

Gardios (talk)

Ahhh. Alright. Nuke away then. Be sure to mark any old images.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Actually, is there any need to have these pages as two separate pages? Since I'm already doing overlay images with the map segments and NPC icons, it seems to me that I can just overlay the NPC icons on top of the map segments. Since there's not much ways to get to the NPCs Map page aside from the Main Page link, whereas every single NPC points back to the town they are at, which in turn can link back to the Town Maps. If anything, I can also overlay NPC icons on top of each individual town's maps. I think this would work better than what we have right now.

If you're okay with this, then I will go ahead and start making these changes, which will lead to eventually migrating everything off the NPCs Map page and then deleting it.

JunEcho (talk)

I can even use tabs on the Towns page so that there is an NPC-less version and a with-NPC version map for each Town Map, so that people can choose whether they want to click on locations or NPCs.

JunEcho (talk)

Actually, I always envisioned having images overlaid on a bigger map image. I haven't had the time to figure it out, so this is great. Whichever one you are currently working on, you can mark the other page for deletion. Make sure you fix the links as well.

For tabs, I don't think it would be a good idea. Just have the images overlaid. It will make it easier for users to click on the map right away.

Dfoplayer (talk)

I actually figured this out by looking at how the wiki already had overlaid Blank images over the dungeon location map screenshots on each of the older towns. I just took that idea and instead of overlaying a blank image (which is silly anyways because the size is never accurate) I overlay the actual dungeon banners that we already have: the way DFO does it in-game. Since that worked out, I took that to the next level and tried it on the NPC MiniMapIcons we already have and overlaid it on the Town Maps. And ta-da~ it can be done :D

JunEcho (talk)