User talk:Arrol

Absolute Damage numbers change.

Hello! Welcome to the wiki.

In case you haven't noticed, the tooltips for skills that contain flat damage numbers like Agni Pentacle have their numbers change if you switch weapons. Rather than have people fighting over numbers, I would like to people to start using Template:AbsoluteDamage that does the math for you. You can see an example when I used it for the Sticky Ball skill.

It can be made like so when editing a page:

{{AbsoluteDamage|Tooltip=15610|IndependantAttack=1173}}

Damage Ratio:

Absolute Damage Ratio, it is multiplied by your Independent Attack Power before being shown in the game tooltips

13.31

max-width:200px 100

{{AbsoluteDamage|15610|1173}}

Damage Ratio:

Absolute Damage Ratio, it is multiplied by your Independent Attack Power before being shown in the game tooltips

13.31

max-width:200px 100

Thank you for your contribution, hope to see you again in the edits soon.

-- Everspace (talk) 02:24, 24 May 2015 (PDT)

Be smart.

If you're going to update a page and change all the names of stuff, that's great. But don't do that and then leave a bunch of blank links. Re do the pages or have redirects. Copain (talk) 15:40, 8 July 2015 (PDT)

My bad. Arrol (talk) 17:06, 9 July 2015 (PDT)

Do not blank pages when deleting

Tis silly since the history is still there. Just add the delete template and be done with it. -- Everspace (talk) 05:19, 18 August 2015 (PDT)

My apologies.Arrol (talk) 12:08, 18 August 2015 (PDT)

Please provide a reason for an edit.

It makes it easier for me (or others) to understand what you've done. If it's the same edit over and over again (adding iconlink template), most browsers are good about autocompleting the box for you if you start typing it out again.

Thanks, -- Everspace (talk) 03:23, 21 August 2015 (PDT)

Hey Arrol, is there a particular reason why you removed the scalar percentage growth values for the Dragoon skill pages?

Altair (talk)

I was curious about them. I assumed they were something left over from editing. I'll bring them back

Arrol (talk)

Yeah, sorry about that. I messaged Dfoplayer earlier if we could use some mathematical expressions to show skill growth value. If we manually inputted each individual value with each balance patch, the editors would probably go insane.

Although, right now it looks a bit rough... We can find a better solution later.

Also, you might notice that some of the base mana, mana growth, and cooldown values might be different than those listed in-game. This is most likely due to the Beam Spear attributes increasing Magic Skill MP costs by +15% and Magic Skill Cooldowns by 5%. I used a Long Lance to get the base mana values since it only increases Physical Mana costs/cooldowns.

Altair (talk)

Why not just unequip the weapon and do the calculations without any altercations?

Arrol (talk)

I'm afraid to say it doesn't necessarily work for all cases. It depends heavily on the skill's damage property (Physical/Magic) and what the class's base weapon is. Apparently, even if you don't have a weapon equipped, the skill's mana/cooldown is changed accordingly with the base weapon.

For the Magical subclasses: Dragoon and Impaler, it's fine to just unequip the weapon since the D. Lancer's base weapon is a Long Lance. However, when you get to the Physical Subclasses: Skirmisher and Vanguard, you need to use a Beam Spear for the weapon since all other weapons tend to skew data slightly.

This applies to all other classes as well. However, the one exception is the Thief class which has no weapon that reveals base mana cost/cooldown. In this case, it requires a little mathematics.

Altair (talk)

oh, I see now.

Arrol (talk)

Hi. I noticed you've been uploading Short Sword icons; thanks for the help! But I've also noticed that you do not categorize them when you upload them. This may cause other people who check the categories for missing images to upload the same icon, when in fact you already have uploaded one. To add a category on the upload page, there is a field right below the Description. For Short Sword icons, the category is "Short Sword Icons". The category field has auto-complete, so you can try to type in a category name to see if it is indeed something we use.

JunEcho (talk)

Sorry for getting to this so late. For reference, here is the original talk.

Is this what you been looking for in ClassSkills? User:Dfoplayer/TestClassSkills. If this suits the ideal box, then I can move some of in-line css to the global css file and make it live.

I will try to use semantics to sort by level learned, but that will take some time...

Dfoplayer (talk)

I honestly forgot about all this, but the skills look better inside a box.

Arrol (talk)

Well, there the older version I kept in User:Dfoplayer#Test_DPL_table, if that is what looks better. I can add bullet points to those boxes.

EDIT: Looking a back at deleted pages, it might be possible to revert back to the old Skill Table, with column titles "icon" and "name". But right now, this is easier.

Dfoplayer (talk)

I think the old one looks more appealing, but is it more strenuous in terms of work?

Arrol (talk)

In my user page, the "old one" is not too hard to implement. I can do that soon.

But the nexon-era skill table with lines separating icons and names, that will be something I won't enjoy. CSS can be a pain to fix. History of just trying to use the surrounding box.

Dfoplayer (talk)

well, if it won't be so hard, the old one shall be best then

Arrol (talk)

This is now resolved. Your regular browser will still show the old style. Either clear the cache, or just wait a few days before the time expires and the browser will request an updated page.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Hey Dfoplayer. I have to say it looks a lot better. Great job.

I have a question though concerning an issue mentioned a while ago. Is it possible to organize the skills via level requirement from the parameter |PrerequisiteLevel= listed in the SkillPage Template?

Altair (talk)

Yes. I mentioned that above. "I will try to use semantics to sort by level learned, but that will take some time... "

I'm sure it is definitely possible. I just gotta look deeper into Semantic MediaWiki.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Thanks for the edit. Also, I have another issue I want to mention.

Arrol (talk)

This is not the first time that you make changes that are definitely not "minor." At least, changing  Quick Summon: Voras's class from Knight to Chaos is definitely not "minor." Not to mention that it is an incorrect change, because Knights can now definitely use Voras before class changing. I do not have an Elven Knight so I cannot confirm, but if Elven Knight no longer have access to the skill, then you should add a Note to the Voras's page just like in  Heaven Cleaver instead of changing the class.

And if you are trying use "minor edit" to perhaps make stealth changes and get away with it, that would probably be considered as abusing minor edit. Not necessarily saying you are doing this though.

I would only use "minor edit" on things like grammar, typos, etc, where it doesn't change the functionality of the page. Changing the class is a big functionality change, even if in the end it's only a "+1 character edit," as it will change its skill listing location from Knight to Chaos.

JunEcho (talk)

Oh, I haven't been on my Chaos after the Reborn patch but I thought that was a Chaos exclusive skill and someone made an error on that.

Arrol (talk)

Hi, I noticed you've added Skill Level 18 for DBR. But I'm noticing a HUGE jump from Skill Level 17 to 18. Are you equipped with certain gear (Chronicle, Epic, etc) which ups the Critical Damage increase value? If so you'll have to remove those gear before you take the value. Hopefully you can still have DBR Lv18 after removing said gear(s), but otherwise the DBR Lv18 value will not be accurate. Thanks.

--JunEcho (talk) 17:03, 9 December 2015 (PST)

Also, how is adding an additional skill level information a minor edit? But oh well. I'd also like to ask you to add the Arena value for DBR Lv18 if possible. You simply need to mouseover DBR and then press F7 until it switches to "Arena" and then press F4 for the values. Thanks.

--JunEcho (talk) 17:06, 9 December 2015 (PST)

I got the information from this thread in reddit. I don't own a Ranger. I had asked the owner if it is possible to show an Arena version as well but no reply. Also, I added a minor edit due to amount of effort added during editing. https://www.reddit.com/r/DFO/comments/3vlnhv/death_by_revolver_buff_with_burning_event/cxrlmkx?context=3

Arrol (talk)

Sorry to intrude on this conversation, but I found this odd as well; so I checked around on other sites. According to Arad Senki: the Lv18 values are different. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the Standard Procedure Chronicle gear's +10% critical damage modifier. Note that Chronicle gear bonus effects only apply while the player is in dungeon/training area. This also applies to tainted/cracked chronicle effects. (Epics, Legendaries and Uniques as well, I believe). Looking at skills outside of town tends to skew values.

As far as I know, most Percentage Bonuses apply multiplicatively to the base value. Even if your source has 77% base critical damage modifier, the +10% from Standard Procedure is still not enough to reach 92% (even if it were applied additively). Your source must have other equips increasing DBR's crit damage as well from his weapon, sub equip, magic stone, or tainted/cracked chron gear.

Altair (talk)

Pretty much any fighter skill icon you see that doesn't have a PNG image (pretty sure they're all Male versions) is because they either overlap with an existing female one, or there's some kind of name conflict I didn't want take care of at the time.

SirKerfluffles (talk)

I've noticed. We could put a REDIRECT code on them.

Arrol (talk)

Sounds like it'll work.

SirKerfluffles (talk)

I would prefer redirect directives like Arrol suggested if two things share an asset like a file. The older of the classes should get the preference (M.Slayer, M.Gunner and F.Fighter).

-- Everspace (talk)

That could work too

Arrol (talk)

Is it possible to just redirect a file instead of uploading a new one and then redirecting it? Or do you have to redirect the skill page itself?

SirKerfluffles (talk)