Estimated Skill Growth Table

I disregarded the if check on your user page for coding rowspans, cause new editors might have a hard time reading the wikicode. But if it's working for you, the table does look much better IMO.

Dfoplayer (talk)

The tables themselves never bothered me in the first place. To be honest, I actually preferred the tables. The issue was that it was taking too long to manually update each value for every page.

Anyway, for consistency reasons, should we extend the table only to its Level cap value, the Master Level value, or the Max Level value?

Altair (talk)

"for consistency reasons." I believe we should stop at level cap of character. I haven't played DFO in sometime so I don't know what "master level" is.

Assume for a second that max character level is 70. In Seismic Crash look at Female PVE skill table. We have a row lv29, but when you can only achieve lv28. Is this data collected by a TP skill that raises skill levels, or maybe an equipment set bonus? Trying to record all the possibilities of going over level cap character could take sometime. (as i think my summoner can increase some skills by +3)

I think people would be okay with the skill table stopping at level cap, as anything above that should be considered a bonus...

Dfoplayer (talk)

Alright, sounds good. I'll get right to updating the pages as soon as I finish a reference guide for the new skill table format. You can view it here on my User page. Right now, I'm working on special cases that involve #ifexpr: statements or uses of rowspan or colspan for users who are interested in coding or table formatting.

Anyway, the terms "Master Level" and "Max Level" are relatively new.

• Master Level refers to a soft cap on skill levels. It controls the maximum amount of levels that can be obtained while adding points through the Skill Tree Window. Additional skill points can be added via items or effects, but cannot exceed the Max Level.
• Max Level refers to a hard cap on skill levels.

Altair (talk)

Oh I see. Lets go with "Master Level" then.

You have a very in depth reference guide on your generic formatting section.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Okay, I just re-updated the page  Flash. How does it look?

Altair (talk)

Looks pretty small. I think just one small works. Why are we displaying up to lv50? Can we even reach that high?

Dfoplayer (talk)

Lv 50 is the skill's "Master Level". It's listed as one of the attributes on the page. Usually skills up to Level 45 have a Master Level of 50, unless they are special buff/passive skills. 1st & 2nd Awakening skills have a Master Level of 30. For skills like  Apocalypse and  Crux of Victoria, it might even be more beneficial to list up to the Master Level since most players intend to stack levels on the skill for special bonuses. I've seen players with these two skills up to Lv 27 for Beast Dungeon, when the normal obtainable amount is Lv 9.

Normally for Flash, we can only reach up to Lv28 since the level cap is 90 at the moment. Should I reduce the size of the array?

Altair (talk)

And here i thought "Master Level refers to a soft cap on skill levels." mean max level on skill tree according to character level. I think I prefer my original answer where our skill tree reflect max character level. Thanks to formulas, we can increase the row size easily should neople increase the level limit.

How do we know master level? Is there data mining involved? To get to lv50, you would need a character around lv127 with set bonuses and buff.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Altair (talk)

I suppose if there are ways to go over master level, then we should probably post max level. This will help players if they need to pick one or two certain skills and buff those first.

Dfoplayer (talk)

Let's just to re-confirm upon what we just discussed:

• Instead of outputting the 50/60 skill levels as shown in Flash, let's compromise. Basic class skills tables will extend only to five levels past the "Level Cap". To minimize work for the Level 95 cap coming Spring next year and to take in account of skill level bonuses from items/buffs, I will adjust the Arrays to show five additional levels past the "Level Cap." Is that okay with you?
• All primary Buff Enhancement and Passive skills tables will extend to "Max Level". Due to the overwhelming desirability of these skills by players in-game, Apocalypse and Crux of Victoria, will also be included in this list.
• Markers using the MaxSkillRow template will highlight the rows of the Level Cap, Master Level and Max Level if reached on the table.

Starting tomorrow, I will update The Great Skill Metastasis Project page and post a section to include a Current Status section similar to that of the Item Database Project.

At the moment, I have 43 out of the 59 advanced sub-classes and all 14 base classes available in-game. If all goes well, I should be able to update at least one whole set of sub-class skills within one or two days. Hopefully, we should have 57 out of the 73 class pages updated within two or three months from now. That being said, I will supervise and update any of these pages if they are changed in any future balance patches.

Altair (talk)

• I was thinking of just extending all skills 5 past level cap, so I agree with this

• Since you know the game more than me, if you think buff skills should be longer than regular skills, alright.

• Agree.

• Skill Metastasis Project section. Agree.

• You play too much. I can barely keep track of three characters back in the day. If you want to handle any skill formula updates, sure.

Dfoplayer (talk)