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| + | [[User talk:Dfoplayer/Archive01|Archive 1]] From December 2011 to January 2013<br> |
| − | == Re: Images ==
| + | [[User talk:Dfoplayer/Archive02|Archive 2]] From May 2014 to June 2015<br> |
| − | Some of the old image assets are actually recycled in the game now which is why I didn't delete them. For example, Isadora.png puts up her Boss Sprite which is still used in the game which is why I uploaded her NPC portrait as Isadora2.png. I'll keep that in mind for non-recycled assets though and I'll try naming my file uploads something else so it doesn't throw other people off. [[User: Save 4 Less|Save 4 Less]] (([[User talk:Save 4 Less|talk]])) 1:22, 1/28/2015 (EST)
| + | [[User talk:Dfoplayer/Archive03|Archive 3]] From July 2015 to September 2015 |
| − | :Yea, I just realized that you have mirror Arad NPCs. Still, what about updating the maps? Are the old ones also used in some parts of the game?--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 10:28, 28 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | == Extensions ==
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| − | Let me know if there are any extensions in particular that need upgrading. I don't really have time right now to do a manual comparison. [[User:Saiyr|Saiyr]] ([[User talk:Saiyr|talk]]) 19:37, 28 May 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :Right now, DFO needs ParserFunctions to be updated. It will allow us to display Korean times and when a user hovers over it, a dropdown box will display Pacific, Australia, etc times. Thanks!--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 22:27, 28 May 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::It's been updated. [[User:Saiyr|Saiyr]] ([[User talk:Saiyr|talk]]) 23:54, 29 May 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :::It looks better now. But to use the parser correctly, DFO wiki needs CSS (Version 3.1, 2012-01-15) extension. Thank you.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 10:48, 30 May 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Added. [[User:Saiyr|Saiyr]] ([[User talk:Saiyr|talk]]) 11:13, 8 June 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :::::Changed css and js. Works now. I just gotta figure out how to set to korean times. Thanks!--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 13:51, 8 June 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Someone unable to revert a bad change ==
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| − | Not sure what he was talking about exactly, but one of the rules is blocking a revert. Can you check out the logs and fix what needs fixing? [[User:Saiyr|Saiyr]] ([[User talk:Saiyr|talk]]) 23:41, 23 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | :That was me. It took us a long while but we figured out how to get around the problem. [[User:Bernelli|Bernelli]] ([[User talk:Bernelli|talk]]) 00:13, 24 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | ::??? Unfortunately, the abuse filter won't allow me to view the logs; it just says it how many it blocked in the past 1,000 edits. However, I did changed the IRC link to what Kadalyn wanted...atleast I think I did.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 12:29, 24 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | ::: I will look into why we can't see the logs later. [[User:Saiyr|Saiyr]] ([[User talk:Saiyr|talk]]) 12:30, 24 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | == Skill Tables??? ==
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| − | Can you make these??????!! I have no clue whatsoever how to do these danged skill tables... There are so many of the class pages that need to be updated or even finished, but not being able to figure out those tables has really stopped me... There anything you can do or is there anyway I can learn how to do these tables? - [[User:Blakdoxa|BlakDoxa]] 11:51, 9 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :Actually, I don't really know how to make tables. Most of the time, I check out other skills tables and copy the formatting. It hard to explain, so you have to experiment around. Try [[user:Nue|Nue talk page]] or some other skill page. From there, click edit and copy the code. If you "preview" and something doesn't look right, you might be using colspan or rowspan. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables Explained here.]--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 12:05, 9 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::Alright, I'll try to figure out something. Thanks for the tips! - [[User:Blakdoxa|BlakDoxa]] 14:52, 9 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | == I heard you have Admin status here now ==
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| − | I was told on the IRC that you were granted admin status, would you mind changing the icon? http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/9686/dfowiki2.png This is the replacement. That Under construction one has been there forever and a former admit (If you look on the main page discussion) said we could change it if we could get any replacement at all. Well here it is. Please and thank you. [[User:Copain|Copain]] 13:44, 8 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | :lol. I would do it but admins can't change that. I think only the site owner can change it, however, I will crawl the web to peak around.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 15:51, 8 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::Surely You can ask on the IRC or something this BS needs to be over with. I've asked around non stop and haven't got this. [[User:Copain|Copain]] 16:27, 8 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::Hmmmm. The site owner probably prevents admins from accessing the localsettings. There are work arounds, but I'd not go that path. I'll ask in the IRC soon. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 16:37, 8 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::::Talked to Angevon. Said she would talk to the site owner. Hopefully, the logo will change sometime soon.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 17:07, 8 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::::If I had known the Sysop position wasn't that big and easy to pass out, I should have just agreed to take it myself... Oh well.. [[User:Copain|Copain]] 17:30, 8 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::::::Well, you can still ask to be a sysop. I just asked since Ultratech wasn't too active and there were spammers in dfo. I regularly check dfo wiki and offical site for updates.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 18:15, 8 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | == We have more to do before quest. ==
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| − | We need to finish up the Male fighter tables and then work on the Female gunner ones. I've been making new ones here or there, and some others have been too, but the Female Gunner pages are pretty shameful. And last I recall, the Thief ones need tables too.. [[User:Copain|Copain]] 23:06, 9 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | :Hmmm true. however I can't get used to working on other classes ever since my summoner. Everything seems pretty darn hard to lv...--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 23:09, 9 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::http://dnf.wikiwiki.jp/ Just go here with google chrome, it'll translate it enough to understand. Find skills in question and make a table for them. I'd have done a lot more by now, tables just suck to make... [[User:Copain|Copain]] 23:20, 9 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::Lol. Alright, that i can do. Sometime its easier to copy and paste into excel or other spreadsheet. then http://excel2wiki.net/ to format into mediawiki. however, u still need to do a bit of editting to get it right, like colspan.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 07:18, 10 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | == "Author request" ==
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| − | Yeah my but, you deleted that page because it was stupid, not at the author's request :P [[User:Copain|Copain]] 22:45, 10 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | :Mhmm. My mouse was set to reason and when i tried to scroll down, it set to author. I tried to cancel delete but too late. Then again, who knows who replied to my post, as it was unsigned :S --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 22:57, 10 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::I did, I just forgot to add the Tildes haha.. Anyway, sorry for not updating much lately, busy with school and such, but that's how I've always been with this wiki.. Work on it a lot, break, work on it a lot.. [[User:Copain|Copain]] 15:35, 11 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | == Avengers ==
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| − | Bro, look at the page carefully. It says "The first look at August's act IV updates.". The patch coming out on August 1st is act III. Please read over it carefully, if you don't believe me.
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| − | :Oh I see. After reading Dfosource, I confirmed your edits. I thought they were gonna release Avenger at the same time. Sorry if I made you mad or anything. :s --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 22:53, 27 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | maybe just a little ;) im pretty new around here, and I don't really know all the advanced wiki editing and stuff, but you can be assured that my posts/fixes are of 100% accuracy. :P also, did you undo the edits i made on spitfire? because they have 3 new skills that i was trying to add. -- [[User:Minimildew|Minimildew]] 8:52, 28 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :I don't think I undid them. The history shows you just added how to adv to the subclass, not the 3 new skills. You have to create a link on Spitfire page to the skills. Just read the coding and I'm sure you can figure it out. ;) --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 17:37, 28 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == bot problem ==
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| − | I'm going to email IJ about the bot problem. Hopefully he can do something. ---[[User:Angevon|Angevon]] 19:10, 26 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :lol. I was going to ask one mabi's IRC how to prevent people from making pages with less than 30 edits. I read some recent changes and Khenta was able to do that, just on mabi's side. Maybe this will help. Thanks Angevon.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 19:33, 26 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Links to pages ==
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| − | Hi there! I am relatively new here. I was looking for a specific page to items and after typing it in the Search bar, nothing comes up except for vaguely-related pages. Regarding Roger Levine's page, I figured it would be easier to find items by adding links to them (only to find that there are no pages for those items...) Is the no-item-linking rule this normal for this wiki? It is quite hard to find pages for specific items in here. [[User:Sumner|Sumner]] 10:45, 9 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :It's not that we have "no-item-linking rule," but its just that this wiki does not have specific item pages. If you like, we can link the materials on Roger's page to the general section, [[Items#Materials|here]]. For example, Leather section can be linked like this <nowiki>[[Craft_Items|'''Leather''']]</nowiki>. The part before the "|" is the page title, but sometimes it doesn't fit in the page. That's where the part after the "|" comes in. As you can see on Craft items page, we don't have information on cloth materials.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 11:10, 9 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Quest Skills Table ==
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| − | I say we don't need the "Quest Skills" table on any of the class pages anymore. The Quest Skills page itself has nearly all the information except "upgrade levels". It will reduce the clutter and give the pages some breathing space, imo. [[User:Blakdoxa|BlakDoxa]] 22:53, 2 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :Hmmm. I see what you mean. However, I'm not sure if new people would search "quest points." It's better if we leave it like that(for a link to the page). However, you are right that the page has everything we need. I can delete the individual pages, like Str and Vit training, and remove the links...--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 10:20, 3 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::Thanks man! I don't think there's much else to add to the QP page, unless someone puts down "level each point is available" and/or the level cap for each quest skill. That might be kind of annoying, so it's probably best to leave it as it is. [[User:Blakdoxa|BlakDoxa]] 13:18, 3 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Armor Masteries ==
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| − | Don't think we need separate pages for each mastery of every class and sub-class. It would be better to list and document the effects of each on the actual armor pages. [[User:Blakdoxa|BlakDoxa]] 16:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :Yea, I see what you mean. Do you want to remove the link completely, or just make the standard link with "armor mastery|avenger armor mastery"?--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 17:06, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::I think the easy solution would be to just get rid of the link. I can go on some of the armor pages and add the masteries for the classes I have now, but I won't be able to get all of them. I'll fix some of the sub-slayers and sub-priest pages. [[User:Blakdoxa|BlakDoxa]] 18:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :::Alright, I check the rest of the pages then.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 20:36, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Note to self and others, I just fixed classes Slayer through Male Gunner.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] 21:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Thanks man! :)[[User:Blakdoxa|BlakDoxa]] 00:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Being unable to link...because I'm still considered a new user ==
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| − | Pretty much that. anyways the direct link to what's to come of Alpha is this: <nowiki>https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502237356570381&set=a.491544004306383.1073741828.477239829070134&type=1&theater</nowiki> [[User:Mikaya|Mikaya]] ([[User talk:Mikaya|talk]]) 10:51, 30 May 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :Since there has yet to be bots, I disabled the filter for now. The filter checks the user age and edit count. Odd.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 12:04, 30 May 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == RE: Cancel Deletions ==
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| − | Replying here to make sure you get the message. Neople has already confirmed it will be as close to KDNF as possible. There is no chance that the "Cancel:" skill pages will ever be used again. I am going to remove the links to these pages right away. We will need to eventually delete the cancel images too, but that might be more trouble than it's worth right now unless there's some sysop magic I'm not aware of. [[User:LuminantAegis|LuminantAegis]] ([[User talk:LuminantAegis|talk]]) 21:42, 14 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | : We would need another extension to mass delete. I'll ask someone who has server access. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 21:49, 14 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | :: Appreciated. All links to Cancel skills should be gone now. [[User:LuminantAegis|LuminantAegis]] ([[User talk:LuminantAegis|talk]]) 22:52, 14 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | Saiyr retired, I'm doing the sysadmining now. I'm not super comfortable handing out ssh access since more than dfo-world is on this box but just let me know what you need and I'll see if we can make it happen. [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 21:19, 29 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | :I see. For now, can you run as many Maintenance reports as you can? The important ones are uncategorized, unused, and wanted reports. I'll probably message you in a few months after dfo-global beta is live. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 21:25, 29 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::Okay ran the script for you. Seems like saiyr turned off caching for MWW but I'm not sure how, but I'll try to figure it out for you. [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 16:25, 30 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | :: EDIT: Oh I found it. It will generate them when you go to the page now. [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 16:28, 30 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::: I see them now. Thanks. We'd appreciate it if you added ReplaceText extension. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 17:01, 30 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::::Do you want LiquidThreads while I'm at it? The normal talk pages are weird to me. lol [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 22:11, 30 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::::It's not a preference to me, not sure about the others. Feel free to add if you like.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 22:17, 30 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::::::I don't care, it's more about what the site's userbase is used to I guess. [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 22:58, 30 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | :Also most of the admins here seem to have left, do you know the status of them all? I know you and Tessa are active, and Ange is active on MWW at least despite what it looks like here. Seems like Tea might be around sorta, but the rest seem to be gone. Input? [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 22:58, 30 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::I am going to have to say I'm probably the only admin active here. I have not seen Tessa lately. I think I was admin since the bot vandalism era, if you check the [[http://wiki.dfo-world.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&dir=prev&offset=20130201195248&type=block&user=&page=| block logs]]. I had to ask Ixy to give me Check User so i could block range of Ips since it got so bad.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 23:08, 30 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::I added an [[DFO_World_Wiki:Administrators| Administrators page]]. You might want to proofread it and see if you would like to change a couple things.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 06:36, 31 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::I wouldn't call myself an admin here just a sysadmin. I really only have admin here so I could bypass the newbie URL restriction. re: wiki lead, that's actually Tessa. She said she'd be more active when the game's actually out but feel free to pester her as needed in the meantime. She is around in general. Since we're talking about staff though, I think I'll go ahead and make a staff section for DFO on the forums, do you have an account already? [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 12:19, 31 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::Did the edits myself. Forgot to mention that you'd be selling yourself short calling yourself a moderator. ;3 Also I installed text replace last night, forgot to mention that too. [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 12:45, 31 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::::No, I do not have an account. I would be glad to be a moderator over there though. I saw the text replace this morning. Thanks a bunch!--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 15:39, 31 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::::EDIT: Created an account on Mabinogi World. Was that the right place since you have a DFO section?--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 16:05, 31 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::::Yup, that's the place. You're all set up. :] [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 17:27, 31 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::::::Haha. You got me. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 17:53, 31 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | Installed delete batch and gadgets extensions for you. Sorry for the delay, had a busy weekend. [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 16:40, 22 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :Glad you added them. This should help with mass edits across the wiki. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 17:23, 22 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | == Disputing your Category:EX Skills delete request ==
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| − | A move to Category:TP Skills is enough. The actual functionality has not changed, it is simply "official" wording. [[User:LuminantAegis|LuminantAegis]] ([[User talk:LuminantAegis|talk]]) 12:41, 31 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | :The thing is, a category pages needs to be created. Even if i replace all EX with TP, the EX category will be there and will report unused. That's why I had a delete request.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 15:39, 31 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | == Request for Adminship ==
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| − | I am requesting to become an administrator for the wiki. [[User:LuminantAegis/Request For Adminship|You can review my request and experience here.]] I understand that this needs to go to a bureaucrat, however I see you online the most so it makes sense to send this your way. [[User:LuminantAegis|LuminantAegis]] ([[User talk:LuminantAegis|talk]]) 21:43, 3 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :Emailed the site owner. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 21:49, 3 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::Considering the low traffic I'm not really sure another admin is necessary. You guys can hire whatever mods you want though for sure, as long as you need them, just let me know and I can set up a mod group. I would just copy MWW's though so you'd have to tell me if you wanted any specific permissions for DFO stuff. (PS: I didn't get an email who did you email??) [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 22:10, 5 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::I'm pretty sure I emailed you. I have an account over at MWW, and I clicked your name. Unfortunately, I did not CC myself so I can't really prove that I did email you. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 22:28, 5 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::::Weird, ok, no worries. I'm trying to check here regularly now too. Tested it tho seems like email's working at least. I added my email here too, so you can do it from my userpage here if you want next time. [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 00:03, 6 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::::I'm not entirely sure if this is in your watchlist but I'll continue it here for context. '''Aside Replace Text usage''', I cannot think of anything special that would be required. I only ask for it due to Neople basically retranslating the game, it will be extremely tedious for me to re-edit: '''Skill Names''' (skill changes in items, references in other articles), '''Item Names''' ( as part of drop tables, monster drop articles ), '''30-40 New Dungeons and all their Monster Names''' (and possibly old ones) and every reference to them would need to be localized, official '''retranslations for mechanics''': "Physical Attack Power" could be "Physical Attack Strength", "Base Attack Power" could be "Independant Attack Strength" or "Base Attack Strength" or something entirely different, "Vitality" will likely be changed to "Stamina" as per korean DNF, etc., I could easily just keep the talk up with [[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] and have him do my replacements but I don't want to depend on him just to get things done easier! Finally, you do not really state the role of a [[http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Moderator#Moderators Moderator in MWW]] so it is a little confusing as to what it entails aside and what tools I would have to help out. I do have contact with and have talked with most of everyone in the current Active Users list ( pretty sure I've even referred them all! ) so in that respect I don't expect any problems that would require admin tools until beta hits and the flood of users come in. (On a side note, the job advancement is now level 15, that keeps throwing me off in the CAPTCHA!) 11:41, 6 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::::: The description is in the [http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Mabinogi_World_Wiki:Policy#The_Role_of_Moderators policy] instead. They don't have text replace access either. Anyway, admins exist to handle that sort of stuff too, so please feel free to bog him down with all the requests. :3 I suggest a staging page of all the changes that you can just submit or work together on (you add them, he or Tessa text replaces and removes them). Also I'll fix the captcha thanks. [[User:Kadalyn|Kadalyn]] ([[User talk:Kadalyn|talk]]) 23:52, 6 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::::::: Sounds like a plan. [[User:LuminantAegis|luminantAegis]] ([[User talk:LuminantAegis|talk]]) 01:32, 7 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | First question: Is this wiki able to run imagemaps using css coding or an extension? Second question (well more of a suggestion) is that the frontpage should have the name of the city and the dungeons inside the city to make it easier for those who aren't fully acquainted with locations in the game to navigate around.
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| − | I would change it but I'm pretty sure the frontpage is locked. + [[User:Sapphirion|Sapphirion]] + [[User_talk:Sapphirion|My Talk]]+
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| − | :I don't know what imagemap through css or extension is. If you go to front page, read the source, and you will find out that we are using Template:Newmenu as the front page. Only front page itself is protected. The templates are not, unless vandalism occurs, then I'd have to protect them. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 08:46, 15 February 2015 (PST).
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| − | ::Okay cool then. I'm just gonna assume that imagemap isn't available on the wiki (its just essentially being able to put a/multiple link(s) on an image and have the image redirect you depending on where it is clicked.) I'll go see if it's present on MWW. Thanks for the help.
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| − | ::OHHH. Okay. The closest thing i can think of is [[http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Taillteann Taillteann and Tara]] maps. Of course, they have icons hovering over them, but closest to what you want.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 12:29, 15 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::THIS REALLY HELPED OMG THANK YOU! BUt alas, I have another question. Would it be possible to change the name of a page when the full game comes around. I was planning on creating town pages and moving the dungeons on those pages to the actual dungeon area names (EX: Dungeons at Silver Crown to Metastatic Abunova and have Silver Crown be the actual town. Say Neople changes the names from Metastatic Abunova to something else, can I change the page name?) EDIT: Should I just create a redirect when the actual game name comes out (EX: Metastatic Abunova redirects to the new name page.)
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| − | ::::On the top of the page, a down arrow of the right hand side. There is a move button. By default, it automatically creates a redirect page, should you move a page. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::::Cool. Will be making major edits to dungeon and town format. + [[User:Sapphirion|Sapphirion]] + [[USer_talk:Sapphirion|My Talk]] +
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| − | As seen here [[Priest]], there's no such thing while the other class page has it and it doesn't seem to be an easily added thing. Would you have an idea how to fix it?
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| − | :Add "<nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki>" to page. Stands for Table of Contents. It reads the whole page, but places table wherever you add it. I fixed Priest. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 20:41, 22 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :: Thanks, I'll remember that in the future--[[User:Fishman46|Fishman46]] ([[User talk:Fishman46|talk]]) 21:08, 22 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | I just noticed the changes that allowed this on the '''New Files''' Special page. Is there a way to do this with the '''Uncategorized Files''' page as well? There's where a lot of the images I've been sorting have been from. HotCat ''has'' sped things up, but I think Cat-a-lot would make things even faster.<br> I know how much you've been struggling with this one though, so no pressure. --[[User:Space Fish|Space Fish]] [[File:Spaceface.png]] 17:04, 24 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :Yea, I added to New files. However, I still can not click the whitespace of the gallery images. I'm working on that, '''unless you can click them''', then my job is done. I will add to Special:uncategorizedXXX, but as for clicking the whitespace, I won't know. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 17:09, 24 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::Oh, you're right. I just saw the tab and automatically assumed it was functioning. My bad. --[[User:Space Fish|Space Fish]] [[File:Spaceface.png]] 17:12, 24 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::I did not add uncat Categories. Some, like game system, are the top level so we should not create a category for them. Files, pages, and templates have that tab now. They do not click the whitespace. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 17:20, 24 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | == Is there a way to say add certain text like a template to multiple pages easily? ==
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| − | As otherwise I'd have to go to each related skill page and add it. If there's not, oh well.--[[User:Fishman46|Fishman46]] ([[User talk:Fishman46|talk]]) 21:45, 26 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :Not that I know of. AutoWikiBot is probably the closest. However, using AutoWiki without testing the search parameters may take some time, so its probably better for manual work. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 21:47, 26 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::Now I'd have to ask what did you want? From recent changes, I'm using AutoWikiBrowser to add navskill templates to all skills. However, it is '''really easy''' because there is an option to add text at the end of the page. If you wanted a template in the middle of the page, you are gonna have to test search parameters. In that case, it's pretty much a find and replace sort of thing. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 09:07, 6 March 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::The end is perfectly fine, and thanks for covering that.--[[User:Fishman46|Fishman46]] ([[User talk:Fishman46|talk]]) 15:04, 6 March 2015 (PST)
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| − | Hello Dfoplayer. I have a question pertaining to items boosting Skill levels. Do you feel it is necessary to provide the names and/or links for the items that increase skill level relating to the specific skill page? (eg: Including a reference to Wolf Fang Pole in the Skill Page: [[Dragon Fang]] or Wind Changer for the Skill Page: [[Weapon Uppercut]]) --[[User:Altair|Altair]] ([[User talk:Altair|talk]]) 15:30, 9 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Yea. That sounds like a great idea. I remember going through rods for summoner skills.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 16:54, 9 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::Another question. Do you feel that Avatar equips and titles should be included as well? If so, there is a pretty good source online (a skill builder by dnf.exrpg) that provides the items that provide stat boosts (includes normal equips, titles, and avatars). However, the wiki doesn't let me put the link in even though I answer the questions correctly... It's quite outdated, and it's written only in Korean, Chinese, and Japanese. The last update for the item list was about a year ago. You can use Google Chrome for a base translation. Anyway, when you do select your class etc. the list of items is located as the Pink characters on top of the Skill description. Anyways, I'm not too familiar with items since I mostly played PvE, so I'm going to hold off on including items in skill pages until the released Beta. --[[User:Altair|Altair]] ([[User talk:Altair|talk]]) 20:01, 9 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::More work, I suppose. I think someone had trouble with linking. Text link [http://dnf.exrpg.com/skill/ dnf]. Are you talking about CAPTCHA? --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 20:59, 9 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::I've never been too good at inserting links on wikis; it was an error on my part. I used <> instead of surrounding the link with []. But yeah, that's the correct link. Anyways...now that we know when the Beta release date is, Wiki-ers can plan the pages accordingly. I can probably finish updating the [[Elemental Bomber]] skill pages by Friday and then look through the item database on the wiki and match to those on dnf.exrpg.. While doing so, I will be updating the item pages and skill pages accordingly. I'll start with the Mage equip and Mage skill pages. As for the Skill Pages, I'll probably either separate the items by tables or bullets and sort them by type and level, whatever looks pleasing to the eye. I'll send you an example later before I get started. Overall, the amount of work doesn't seem too immense.
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| − | ::::*Sorry to trouble you again, but I have another question. I've noticed that there is a lack of information on Magic Sealed Items. Should there be a page describing this function just like the [[Enhancing]] page? --[[User:Altair|Altair]] ([[User talk:Altair|talk]]) 09:38, 10 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::If you feel like we need magic sealed items, go ahead. Is there a CDnF or KDnF page with monster drops? That's probably the most important part of a game wiki (that and skills/quests). --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 09:49, 10 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::I don't know any off the top of my head. Sorry. The only one I could find were Pinks from boss drops from [http://dfcentral.com/system/items/boss-uniques/ dnfcentral boss drops]. They also have some info on sealed items: [http://dfcentral.com/system/items/ dnfcentral items]. But this too is outdated; it doesn't include patches from the M.Mage to later. I thought about checking on dnf.duowan, but it doesn't load on my laptop atm... I'll notify you if I find any more. --[[User:Altair|Altair]] ([[User talk:Altair|talk]]) 12:42, 10 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::I found a few more links that may help with filling out pages on the wikis. They are located on the DnF Central website. Here are the links:
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| − | ::::*DnF Central Link: [http://dfcentral.com/korean/ Korean Patches/Wikis]
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| − | ::::**I recommend the link with the mirror wiki:[https://mirror.enha.kr/wiki/%EB%8D%98%EC%A0%84%20%EC%95%A4%20%ED%8C%8C%EC%9D%B4%ED%84%B0 Korean DnF wiki]. It contains quite a bit of information. You can use Google translate to get a sub-par translation of the Korean text.
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| − | ::::*DnF Central Link: [http://dfcentral.com/underground-warriors/ Chinese Patches/Wikis]
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| − | ::::'''Note:''' These links pretty much show more links to alternate sources of information grouped by category. I'll notify you if I find any more sources. --[[User:Altair|Altair]] ([[User talk:Altair|talk]]) 14:18, 19 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::Awesome. Thanks, I will look at them. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 16:30, 19 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Yeah sorry, updating all the Elemental Bomber skills is taking longer than I expected. I won't be able to do the item updates until way later. Anyways, I have a question about this page: [[Elemental Shift]]. Is the updated skill table too large? If so, is there a way to make the page wider or should I separate the Attack Strength and Additional Effects into separate tables like the older ones? --[[User:Altair|Altair]] ([[User talk:Altair|talk]]) 20:05, 15 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :The page is as wide as your browser and it is automatically resized when you move the window's size. Right now, I see Burn, Freeze, Curse, and Electrocution Levels redundant. Can you move them into one column? Other than that, I like the old skill table; it's more readable and concise.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 20:13, 15 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::Okay, I changed it. I color coded the element sections. Does it look better now? Should I do the same thing for the [[Magic Cannon]] and [[Elemental Shield]] pages? --[[User:Altair|Altair]] ([[User talk:Altair|talk]]) 21:46, 15 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::Magic Cannon should be fine. Elemental shield can be shrunken down from Shadow Shield: '''Slow Chance''' Shadow Shield: '''Slow Level''' Shadow Shield: '''Slow Duration''' to just Shadow Shield and underneath it are the three effects, similar to Elemental Shift. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 21:50, 15 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::For the [[Elemental Shield]] page, should I switch the Light Shield and Shadow Shield sections to be consistent with the other pages? --[[User:Altair|Altair]] ([[User talk:Altair|talk]]) 22:55, 15 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::If you want to, go ahead. I don't think that is too important. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 07:52, 16 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == Is it possible to add the DFO Core forums link to the Media Wiki Side bar? ==
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| − | As I noticed someone adding Nexus to it and it had me wonder A) if this is possible and B) if that was allowed.
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| − | I had a discussion with other DFO-World staff about this issue in our site staff section on the Mabinogi World forums, and the general consensus was that it was a good idea, seeing how active and well moderated the DFO Nexus forums are. The main issue I think is present here, is that there is currently very loose organization amongst the DFO-World Wiki staff, and so I was not able to consult with all of the staff and moderators here who only use the DFO-World Wiki. Those who aren't involved with any of our sister sites were not able to see this discussion, but this can easily be remedied if we decide on a place to discuss DFO-World staff stuff. I think the #dfo IRC channel would be a good place for it.
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| − | For some background as to why I am now DFO-World's lead administrator, a little over a year ago the DFO-World domain would have been left to expire as a result of inactivity, spam bots, closed registration, and the complete absence of any administration/editing presence here, had I not stepped forward and agreed to run things here. So I have had the position of lead administrator here since May 2014. I decided to 'partner' wtih the DFO Nexus forums because of my experience with the community there, as well as the fact that they are active, well moderated and well operated, and were the first major DFO fan forums available after the closure of DFOSource forums and Nexon's DFO forums. The community at DFO Nexus is generally more up-to-date with what's going on in kDnF, and many people there are regularly making contributions to our wiki. Their forum rules also align well with our own Wiki policies, as well as to our wiki and forum rules on our sister sites.
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| − | To summarize, the person who put that there (me) is also the person who decides whether this is allowed or not. I made an attempt to consult with other known DFO-World staff before making the decision to partner up with the DFO Nexus forums. I think it would be a good idea for the members, editors and staff here on DFO-World to try and organize ourselves by regularly being present in the #dfo IRC channel on irc.ppirc.net. If you would like to discuss this with me further, feel free to come to the IRC channel (in the sidebar) or bring up your concerns on my talk page. [[User:Tessa|Tessa]] ([[User talk:Tessa|talk]]) 04:36, 19 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == Removing legacy skill tables ==
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| − | Would it be ok to remove the old skill tables as shown here:[[Summon Ador]]?
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| − | I don't think there is any reason to have 2 tables for skills anymore.
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| − | :Yea, we need to remove them. There is no reason to have 2 tables, other than archive. Since skills change, I think archiving those is somewhat useless, unlike game content(cough, blitz points) --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 07:46, 24 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Hey, I've seen two sets of skill tables one that displays the cast and cool time [[Force Wave: Neutral]] and ones that have them in the details [[M. Bone Crusher]]. Not sure which one we should be using but I want them to be consistent. So, which do you think we should use? [[User:Blakdoxaduo|Blakdoxaduo]] ([[User talk:Blakdoxaduo|talk]]) 08:26, 27 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | *I would personally stick with [[Force Wave: Neutral]] and keep cooldown and casttime in the tables. That way, players know that they does not change.
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| − | *To be consistent, we should be using "max skill row", colored in green, such as [[M. Bone Crusher]].
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| − | *Side note, someone was not using our "wikitable" so some skills look completely different. I can't think of any right now... I should have recorded that. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 09:34, 27 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::[[User:Everspace|Everspace]] created [[Template:SkillTableHeader]] to use since the other one is someplace. [[User:Blakdoxaduo|Blakdoxaduo]] ([[User talk:Blakdoxaduo|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::Also, if a skill does decrease in cast time like [[Ice Wall]]s, it should be listed. Currently in my skill revamp project I have put any information that doesn't change as it levels in a section called "Attributes". Compare the table in [[Needle Throw]] and [[Template:SkillData Needle Throw]], one is far more clear what you get out of levelling compared to the other. If the cool-down does change, something like "Cooldown/Cast Time: Varying" could be used instead and then listed in the table.
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| − | :::This is all good information for a [[Style Guide]]
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| − | :::--[[Image:MageIcon.png|link=User:Everspace]] [[User:Everspace|Everspace]] ([[User Talk:Everspace|talk]]) 11:17, 5 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Hmmm. That is true. If we keep the non-changing cooldowns in "attributes", then we could save a column in skill. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 11:37, 5 April 2015 (PDT) table.
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| − | :I should note that we have a couple types of dungeon maps. [[Fanatics]] [[South Ghent Gate]] and [[Mirkwood Hollow]]. I admit I did mostly Ghent maps way back when.--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 09:53, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::How about the map that I have going on my user page? It's written inline. This also allows for generation of new maps pretty quickly. However I do think that some places should get their own special image see: [[Forgotten Land]]. --[[Image:MageIcon.png|link=User:Everspace]] [[User:Everspace|Everspace]] ([[User Talk:Everspace|talk]]) 14:29, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::Hmm, that looks pretty good. Great job. That seems something I can do, since I don't add game data as often. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 15:44, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Do we two separate pages for skills showing gender differences like [[Nen Shot]] and [[Nen Shot (M)]]? I think it would be better to have all the information on a single page and just highlight the gender differences on the page itself. For the tables, I can create a div container to put them next to each other and have them somewhat centered. What do you think would be the best way to handle these types of pages? [[User:Blakdoxaduo|Blakdoxaduo]] ([[User talk:Blakdoxaduo|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Yea, we can combine them. I'm not sure what you are talking about for skillHeader Template. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 21:45, 28 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::Ok, I'll get on those pages when I can and the template thing was just about how some of the tables were kind of out-of-whack (some with difference color schemes) and that the template will help standardize all the skill tables. [[User:Blakdoxaduo|Blakdoxaduo]] ([[User talk:Blakdoxaduo|talk]]) 21:49, 28 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Currently we've got [[Mage]] and [[Male Mage]]. Soon we'll have [[Slayer]] and [[Female Slayer]]. I think we should expand all "genderless" classes to their full name like [[Female Mage]] [[Female Fighter]] in all pages. I don't like this ambiguous case and it's making my template attempts very sad. --[[Image:MageIcon.png|link=User:Everspace]] [[User:Everspace|Everspace]] ([[User Talk:Everspace|talk]]) 19:02, 6 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Template attempts? Yes, we could add female and male to the name, if it makes you be more productive. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 21:46, 6 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::It's a neat idea, but try to do that on just the actual pages, having large full names and such on the quick bars to jump to classes would get ah... cluttered and such.. [[User:Copain|Copain]] ([[User talk:Copain|talk]]) 01:02, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::We can always Redirect F.Mage/F.Fighter to their proper pages as well. I just don't want the ambiguity. --[[Image:MageIcon.png|link=User:Everspace]] [[User:Everspace|Everspace]] ([[User Talk:Everspace|talk]]) 02:12, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Well, it shouldn't be that bad. We only have like Slayer, Mage, Gunner, times by 5, so around 15 moves. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 08:31, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == I'll admit, I'm surprised ==
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| − | So, dunno if you remember me. But way way back when Nexon DFO was a thing, I had helpt the wiki go from a bunch of old info to a bunch of updated info and got a lot of people to update it. I was very proud of it. But with no admins the wiki was kind of in a rough spot. I remember us talking about little things and me talking with the admins of the Mabi wiki to get some admin permission here, and I'm glad you got it because you've really stuck around to keep doing the hard work. Even now you're back working on it and keeping info up to date. The wiki still needs touch ups on the fine data, but overall it's in a fine state and has evolved fairly well, keep up the great work. It really surprises me since I don't see many of the same names over a long time, but you stuck with it. [[User:Copain|Copain]] ([[User talk:Copain|talk]]) 01:00, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Let's leave it at that I'm happy to see you appear on recent changes. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 08:34, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::Heh, alright [[User:Copain|Copain]] ([[User talk:Copain|talk]]) 11:45, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::TBH, I knew you'd come back. "Oh DFO. How I hate my Relationship with the. And yet I can't quit you... " ;)--[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 11:59, 7 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Cmon that was back in the day when I spent thousands on that game and then got hacked. And waited a year and a half to be told "Hey man, we can't give you anything back, but here's some life token and key frags for your grief" [[User:Copain|Copain]] ([[User talk:Copain|talk]]) 12:25, 8 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::::I'll admit, I'm impressed that you came back. I know a couple people who raged quit when they got hacked, in other games. Didn't want to start over. Glad to see you here and making some contributions. We should get more volunteers. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 12:34, 8 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Could we move old stuff to new, rather than new stuff to old? [[:Template:NavSkillsFFighter]] sets a dangerous precedent, and once things are fully moved, I would like to delete old references to keep things tidy. --[[Image:MageIcon.png|link=User:Everspace]] [[User:Everspace|Everspace]] ([[User Talk:Everspace|talk]]) 18:48, 12 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :*I do agree with you to move skill icons names, but there are quite a bit of files out here. I suppose the best way is to add skill data, then move accordingly.
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| − | :*I found your template navskills female/male problem. I started some redirects to the correct navskills, which you probably saw. I asked the wiki admin to see if they could install Extension:DynamicPageList so we could find all unused redirects after moving.
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| − | :*I will revert my edits, then. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 18:55, 12 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :NOTE: Moving .gif files to .png will not work. May need to reupload files. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 19:02, 12 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::1. My thoughts exactly.
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| − | ::2. That would be excellent. It would also be fantastic to just auto-generate those link blobs too. Is it http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_(third-party) ? or the other one?
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| − | ::3. Thank you.
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| − | ::Note: I've gotten the extractor going, and can get icons if we need them.
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| − | ::Also can we get the Module:String if he's going to be installing stuff? Colons are the devil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:String
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| − | ::: Yes, third party. My idea is to use [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Listing_Unused_Redirects 452's script from wikia] to find unused redirects. I have no idea about module: string, but I'll ask. --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 20:40, 12 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::: I think I see the problem. We can't use colon in file names? What's the plan for those skill names? --[[User:Dfoplayer|Dfoplayer]] ([[User talk:Dfoplayer|talk]]) 21:34, 12 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::: Apparently not. This is why I'm asking for Module:String, it contains a template that can find characters and replace them. <nowiki>{{replace|{{{Name}}}|:|-}}</nowiki> would return for example "Hired Summon- Panzer Horder" which is the name of the file after the wiki has it's way with it. Huge bummer, and I'm not sure what to do about that.
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| − | :::: 3rd party is exciting because I can use the IconLink template in the outputted list (for example:'''<nowiki>format=,{{IconLink|%TITLE%}},,</nowiki>'''). This can also be used to generate the skill tables at for say: [[Summoner]] as well because I can use the SkillData template to put things in their appropriate categories automatically.
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